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Hell there, I'm Bryce Zabel, and you're listening\h
to Need to Know with Coulthart and Zabel and as you recall from our last\h\h

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podcast we had to mention that Ross wasn't\h
with us he was on assignment and I'm happy to\h\h

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say that that part has been fixed Ross may\h
still be on assignment and he is in Paris\h\h

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France but he's with us today Ross welcome back\h
we missed you a lot tell me what you've been up\h\h

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to oh boy Bryce what what a few weeks it's um\h
can I just say for a moment let's just stop for\h\h

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a moment and think about the fact that you and\h
I both know what we're about to talk about right\h\h

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I think this is the beginning of a very important\h
moment in history I really do I don't think it's\h\h

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the moment but I think it's a Tipping Point a slow\h
movement towards an admission by the US government\h\h

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of things that seem unimaginable so what have\h
I been doing well we're actually pre-recording\h\h

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this because I'm going to be on the move when\h
this goes to air but what we do know is that\h\h

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at eight o'clock New York Time 5 June tomorrow\h
there is going to be an article appearing in\h\h

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the debrief written by Leslie Kane and Ralph\h
Blumenthal which I hope will rock Washington\h\h

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the intelligence community and the Department of\h
Defense right to its socks it's the revelations of\h\h

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a hugely important intelligence Community\h
Insider a guy called David grush\h\h

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who until early April was a very senior member of\h
the intelligence community and Bryce as you know\h\h

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because you've been very much part of this you've\h
been very much a good Mentor to me throughout all\h\h

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of this Dave and I have been talking for some\h
time and I have the television interview with\h\h

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Dave Crush which will be going to air later\h
this week and you'll see hopefully in this\h\h

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program the news Nation TV promotional teasers\h
that are advertising this forthcoming interview

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I think what Mr grush has to say is quite\h
momentous it's it's big and I think we have\h\h

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the beginning of what I believe will be a trail\h
of whistleblowers good men and women who are now\h\h

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coming forward to talk about what they know about\h
incredible as it may seem a non-human intelligence\h\h

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that's been engaging with this planet for many\h
many years and Incredibly even further the fact\h\h

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that the United States government really is in\h
possession of retrieved non-human technology\h\h

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so that's what I've been doing yeah there's a\h
little to think about I want to thank you for the\h\h

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way you started it because that actually describes\h
my feelings I met Dave grush through you almost a\h\h

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month ago met him twice had lunch with him thanks\h
to you again um but I have to say I've spent many\h\h

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nights and days in the last month where I kind of\h
sit there and drift off because I'm thinking wow\h\h

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we've been doing this for a long time as a need\h
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been involved in this you know as as you have for\h
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to take and you called it a Tipping Point yeah\h
that's what's been getting to me because I've\h\h

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been thinking well we're actually at that point\h
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random speculation but it's beginning to get very\h
very real so uh what I think would be nice for\h\h

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us is if we turn the the table a little bit and\h
let me interview you a little bit about how you\h\h

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tipped to Dave grush um what you're going to have\h
in your story that's so unique and um and I think\h\h

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we should start with that I think what a lot of\h
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Kane and Ralph Blumenthal wrote will be thinking\h
is okay well it's great I read it in print who\h\h

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is this guy exactly well don't you put him on\h
camera how did you find him and get him to do that\h\h

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I I have to say my impressions of Dave Crush are\h
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Leslie and Ralph and I have done very methodical\h
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credibility and more importantly we've verified\h
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says he is he's basically the guy he's one of the\h
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together the presidential daily briefing for the\h
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highly with his top secret SCI compartmented\h
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000 special access programs and before any of you\h
linked to conclusions and assume that he's another\h\h

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Edward Snowden or another person who's breaking\h
the law to bring this information to the public\h\h

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the extraordinary thing about Dave grush's\h
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under the authorization of the defense\h
office pre-publications Security review\h\h

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he has been approved by the U.S Department of\h
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and with Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal I\h
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pleasant level of openness by the U.S defense\h
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believes it's more a necessity for the U.S\h
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to tell his story and I think they see the doctor\h
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but it's hugely significant because essentially\h
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defense department and he has received approval\h
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what he reveals to both Leslie Kane and Ralph\h
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huge and it's a very pleasant degree of openness\h
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good cause to be very critical of in the past\h
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about to step into the unknown I was just reading\h
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Brian Bender Who I have huge respect for the\h
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consultancy and Brian made the entirely legitimate\h
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they really do need to be highly credible people\h
maybe perhaps speaking as program managers people\h\h

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from within the program Dave grush isn't there\h
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but what he did do is he worked for the UAP task\h
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body that the Pentagon set up to investigate\h
the phenomenon at the request of the Congress\h\h

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and it was he who was authorized with all of his\h
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the code name programs that do exist that contain\h
what he alleges involved as we've read today in\h\h

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the debrief a crash retrieval program recovered\h
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the United States I I like you in the last few\h
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had trouble processing what he's been telling\h
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kind of disinformation stooge that's being put\h
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egregiously mislead the UAP research community so\h
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I've never been fully candid even with you my\h
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to but you might remember I told you once that I\h
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nat cobits yep and that was one of the chief Geeks\h
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leads and I've never spoken about this before\h
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working in what they purported was a secret\h
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reverse engineering of non-human technology and\h
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and it was they who told me about Dave grush and\h
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so unless there's been an elaborate disinformation\h
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I think this guy's for real he's one of the\h
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in fact I think he is the highest intelligence\h
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and one of the reasons why I think we should\h
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able to confirm and so have Leslie and Ralph that\h
Dave's allegations made in a secret hearing to the\h\h

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Inspector General of the intelligence community\h
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and for that reason his allegations were referred\h
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Congress you know Russ there's so much to unpack\h
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at the very beginning that he had filed for a\h
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know what you're talking about there sure adopts\h
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Security Office review where they basically\h
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are a compartmented top secret clear person you\h
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want to publish checked by the defense department\h
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the statements the person's making are authentic\h
you know theoretically Dave could basically put\h\h

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to them a whole series of false allegations that\h
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verify those false allegations because\h
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what I find very very interesting and this\h
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there are things that are authorized in the dopsa\h
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breathtaking they are they are authorizing\h
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it alien so would you but the term they use is\h
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non-human intelligence technology nhi technology\h
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let's go back to the dopsa review for a moment\h
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Elizondo has just gone through for his book uh\h
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is uh you do say to yourself why on Earth would\h
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talk about such things if they're also at the\h
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about it well part of it is of course that um\h
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go talk about that that I believe triggers an\h
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a back and forth and it's public is that right\h
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department to say go talk about whatever you\h
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not want that kind of back and forth first and\h
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he strongly believes that the information\h
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his investigations as a member of the UAP task\h
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be public information there's certain things\h
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and I respect that I completely understand that\h
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years especially during the Cold War this was Kept\h
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let's I'll let you talk I'm sorry no no uh I was\h
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I personally have sat and watched you interview\h
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events over seven hours and I have heard him say\h
things in those interviews that you conducted\h\h

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that exceed by a lot what's in the uh Leslie\h
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uh you know he spoke at at depth about certain\h
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shocking um not so much shocking in that I\h
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but shocking in that somebody was actually saying\h
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I had for you is if even if he's followed this\h
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danger of being say arrested because uh obviously\h
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approved is that there's government legislation\h
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what risk was Dave grush taking by speaking\h
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things that exceed just crash wreckage what's the\h
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an investigative journalist that the one thing\h
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decides to come out from the shadows and speak\h
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or an ill doing and exposing it publicly it is the\h
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servant can do and and sadly one of the great\h
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get screwed they get treated really badly and so\h
in many ways Mr grush's best defense is to speak\h\h

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publicly and to get what he knows out there and to\h
ensure that it's quickly publicly investigated and\h\h

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aggressively investigated so what he's doing\h
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revealing what he knows and yes you're absolutely\h
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story and I know that what we have goes enormous\h
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is because he wants you the public to know and\h
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congressional representative and your Senators the\h
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the mainstream media that they need to make this\h
a Forefront issue I beg this audience to get out\h\h

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there get the story on social media and back this\h
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is that somebody like he comes forward it's such a\h
courageous act for a person to do this to come out\h\h

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from the shadows and speak about this the worst\h
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some in the mainstream media have elected not\h
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got to say so it's incumbent on you everybody\h
listening here you have power this is a really\h\h

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important moment in history because what you\h
can do is you can write to your Congressman\h\h

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your congresswoman your representatives and\h
say I want this in a public hearing I want\h\h

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these Witnesses deposed because the key thing\h
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story The debrief is publishing is that there are\h
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also backed his evidence in testimony in secret\h
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Community those people have been deposed they\h
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been questioned about what they know about\h
the program about a crash retrieval operation\h\h

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now the Congress has not heard the full story\h
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media's attempt to investigate what Dave grush was\h
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so highly protected so highly compartmented that\h
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and Congressional Representatives Office were\h
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aware of his information this is such protected\h
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think improperly illegally and criminally criminal\h
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offenses and this leads investigation I think\h
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Contra it is massive and there are people who will\h
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been doing Terrible Things Bryce terrible things\h
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protect this secret I want to come back to all of\h
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our friend The Departed Stanton Friedman uh called\h
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is a cosmic Watergate that actually buries the\h
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like small small potatoes compared to what's about\h
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me make a point of clarification and then we're\h
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um you said Ross that the debrief is publishing\h
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are acting as Publishers not reporters here\h
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your own horn but I'm going to here I\h
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um you're about to you've already seen something\h
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debrief but the reporters behind it are Leslie\h
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allowed the debrief to publish their report but\h
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with no ill will toward the debrief because I have\h
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and in the same way news Nation will be acting\h
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Dave Crush but they did not report it either you\h
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into who's responsible for this whether they\h
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don't have on right now of course would be tipped\h
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publishing that has gone on uh both with news\h
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you guys are the reporters here now let's go\h
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is the reason that there is reticence and pushback\h
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completely in your view uh something that comes\h
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been committed to keep the secret and there are\h
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it is that what you're saying or suggesting yeah\h
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jail if U.S law is heated I I really do I mean I'm\h
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into an extremely aggressive investigation for\h
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church commission style inquiries if that doesn't\h
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an authoritarian regime and give up pretending to\h
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strong words no I'm really confronted about what\h
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not publishing out of responsibility and you know\h
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come from David Crush I'm I'm really quite shocked\h
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of um one of the things I really want to emphasize\h
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with you but you can tell me off later I think\h
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network a very aggressive and exciting new network\h
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this whole story The failure of the American\h
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a deliberate disinformation campaign against the\h
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serious crimes very very serious crimes and to\h
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of this story by Leslie and Ralph to get this\h
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they they didn't get a spine they failed they\h
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this story and they allowed themselves to be led\h
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are still trying to suppress this story and what\h
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and Leslie and Ralph and provided them with the\h
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by their editors I know how hard it is to get\h
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there is absolutely no doubt in my book that date\h
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now on the front page of the New York Times and I\h
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Post gutless cowards for their failure to follow\h
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badly they have abrogated their responsibility as\h
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themselves to be fed they've allowed themselves to\h
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that feed journalist stories and they've they've\h
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ignore a real story that the American public is\h
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by legislation should be known about and they\h
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after this story because they have failed\h
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and I'm angry I'm really angry about this because\h
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Bryce what do you think I mean I I'm sorry to\h
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I got angrier and angrier it's just\h
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uh well ditto to all of that it's kind of ironic\h
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down here cowardly sissies so I guess we're\h
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name the names one more time for people that\h
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um also did not step up and uh you know I can't\h
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government although I am and by the way one of the\h
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cover-up I'm angry at the government for not being\h
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know what the ultimate truth is whether it's good\h
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it by now for sure but I'm also upset as you are\h
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of Legacy Media and even New Media uh got nervous\h
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Blumenthal uh had had written and couldn't bring\h
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definitely not happy now can I say one thing I'm\h
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to be nice I want to pay credit to news nation\h
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this story they made a they've made a courageous\h
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take on the National Security establishment and\h
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I was thinking earlier on this week Bryce about\h
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the guy who leaked the Pentagon papers and I\h
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Ellsberg walked into the offices of the Washington\h
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out there who doesn't know they they revealed the\h
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had been kept and suppressed and kept secret\h
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and the Washington Post agonized for weeks about\h
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decision despite the fact that they were National\h
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I don't think they would run it today I\h
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story signifies isn't just a Tipping Point in\h
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the relevance the growing relevance of podcasts\h
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and the intelligence Community cannot suppress\h
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them off by offering them stories and giving them\h
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nation and the debrief which are breaking\h
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the Legacy Media have completely abrogated and\h
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Legacy Media or the mainstream media whatever we\h
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too much to lose and they don't want to be first\h
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York Times published the original k Blumenthal\h
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that don't have that Cooper excuse me Helen Thomas\h
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is titled Daniel Ellsberg is dying and he has\h
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possibly the most significant whistleblower in\h
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papers uh published and this is what he said in\h
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whistleblowers and he said when everything is at\h
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talking about nuclear war implicitly here but\h
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ultimate catastrophe when we're on the edge of\h
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moot from the point of view of the civilization\h
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when everything is at stake can it be worth even\h
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a whistleblower and the answer is of course of\h
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obligatory so let's just uh let's tip to Daniel\h
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and I wish more people will look at that and see\h
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I do want to get back on track on on our interview\h
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I watched it uh being recorded and then later as\h
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is definitely saying some outrageous things and\h
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uh but there were some things uh that he said\h
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um but he also said and you were very diligent\h
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he said many times that there were places where\h
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all the relevant material to the proper committees\h
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was talking about the fact that as I understand it\h
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to the Senate intelligence committee and I believe\h
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the story he told you in those six to seven hours\h
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projects Etc where he has laid those details out\h
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really want to get kick the Rocks over and find\h
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yes good moving on no seriously uh am I right\h
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over 11 hours to Congress correct I mean if you\h
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of all the things that he he was very proper\h
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him with this dopsa review and he knew he could\h
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that part is he knows much more than he's told us\h
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as they roll out over the next uh a few days and\h
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to understand that he is also stating that he has\h
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engineering programs are crash retrieval programs\h
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stuff that Congress would need if they really\h
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um I I think we are at an inflection point and and\h
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as someone who will help Usher it in I mean so let\h
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okay Dave is not a direct witness he has not\h
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but he's done the next best thing what he's\h
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General of the intelligence Community who found\h
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because of that they were referred on to the\h
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the Senate intelligence committee one of the most\h
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intelligence committee and I know that a large\h
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didn't attend the hearings but to cover themselves\h
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know what to do about Dave grush's evidence he's\h
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know all about the program this is where the\h
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these are the code names of the various programs\h
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inside the defense department these are the people\h
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aerospace companies that are involved he's given\h
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about is Congress needs to show a spine yeah\h
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investigating this issue properly and I think the\h
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the public because I don't think the politicians\h
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pressure so what's really interesting here is\h
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we've kept it very very secret Dave came to speak\h
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deserted Warehouse with high security and we made\h
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we shut down the New York Times we managed to hose\h
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know who who cares they might take the Arrogant\h
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respect for the debrief but it's not a mainstream\h
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it inside the the world of UAP research this is\h
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where citizen journalism can really help this\h
is where people need to start writing to their\h\h

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Congress person and saying I care about this\h
issue I want an inquiry right to the New York\h\h

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Times demand to know why they wouldn't cover this\h
story why is there National Security reporters\h\h

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being bought off with cozy little drops about\h
the Ukraine you know I'm sorry I've been there\h\h

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I've done that I've seen how it works I know\h
what intelligence Community people do they buy\h\h

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off a reporter by giving them stories and this is\h
what they've done with the big mainstream payments\h\h

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the editors have made the Judgment that it's too\h
dangerous to run the story otherwise they're going\h\h

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to get cut off the drip and this is the biggest\h
story ever I mean seriously if what Dave grush\h\h

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is saying is true we are talking about one of the\h
top intelligence officials in the U.S government\h\h

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a guy who used to hand deliver intelligence\h
briefings the daily intelligence briefing to\h\h

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The West Wing of the White House he was the guy\h
that did it we're talking about one of those top\h\h

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officials cleared for over 2 000 special access\h
programs coming forward and saying non-human\h\h

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intelligence is real and moreover the US has been\h
concealing the existence of retrieved non-human\h\h

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alien technology for decades it's breathtaking\h
breathtaking I mean again congratulations to\h\h

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you for doing this the old-fashioned way as a\h
journalist who cultivates sources who doesn't\h\h

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blow the sources uh and and works the story but\h
I just want to highlight one thing you said here\h\h

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because I believe it needs to be said twice\h
the icig stands for the intelligence Community\h\h

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Inspector General the icig right and as Ross said\h
after Dave grush spoke to them at that office uh\h\h

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they put in their uh cover letter I believe\h
to the Congress that his comments were quote\h\h

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urgent and credible now inspector generals\h
don't just throw words around for no good reason\h\h

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urgent and credible so I believe that we should\h
take that the inspector General at its word and\h\h

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say this is an urgent case the reason Dave\h
brush has come forward is that there is an\h\h

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urgency to grappling with this issue he knows a\h
bit about that and credible that's a comment on\h\h

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not only what Dave is saying but Dave himself so\h
um and again as I said I sat uh thanks to Ross\h\h

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I sat and got to know this guy a little bit and I\h
will tell you he strikes me as incredibly credible\h\h

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and the story he tells as incredibly urgent so\h
uh and and for example I you have stated several\h\h

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times non-human intelligence which is of course\h
nhi is sort of the new way to talk about it and\h\h

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and I I buy into that I mean we don't as he states\h
he doesn't want to talk about origin because are\h\h

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not entirely sure of that about that so alien in\h
everybody's mind is well they come from out there\h\h

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well there may be other explanations so no but but\h
it is clear that this is non-human intelligence\h\h

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but he has also used the plural right he has\h
used the plural phrase non-human intelligences\h\h

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and that means there's more than one out there\h
and that also is a pretty huge headline to me\h\h

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more on that in my interview on news Nation\h
coming up yeah so why don't we uh yeah I don't\h\h

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want this to be a giant tease because I'm looking\h
forward to the world seeing you talk to this guy\h\h

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can I have one serve on the way out perhaps\h
but you can I don't mean to be unkind but I\h\h

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think people particularly those in the mainstream\h
media who are looking for an angle they need to\h\h

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go back and look at the testimony of Dr Sean\h
Kirkpatrick to the Congress he told senator\h\h

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gillibrand in evidence not that long ago only a\h
few weeks ago that there was no credible evidence\h\h

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to support contentions that there's evidence\h
of extraterrestrial life visiting this planet\h\h

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that Mr grush is quite clear that he's not saying\h
it's necessarily extraterrestrial he has various\h\h

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theories about that you'll hear more about that on\h
the news Nation story but what he is clear about\h\h

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is that he does not think that Dr Sean Kirkpatrick\h
gave a truthful and accurate record to Congress\h\h

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and indeed he believes that Dr Sean\h
Kirkpatrick knows most of what he's\h\h

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revealing in his interview with both Ralph and\h
Leslie and particularly in his interview with me\h\h

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and I think the American public the world needs\h
to ask why did the U.S defense department put a\h\h

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bureaucrat a scientist in a position who\h
appears willing to either unwittingly or\h\h

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knowingly mislead Congress and what Senator\h
gilibrand going to do about the fact that she\h\h

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has so clearly been misled in evidence that\h
was publicly televised before the Congress\h\h

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was Senator gillibrand a conspirator in the\h
conspiracy to mislead the American public I'm\h\h

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not saying she was but I think people should be\h
asking that question I think she needs to clarify\h\h

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whether she knows about what Mr grush has told\h
the Congress and whether or not she's going to do\h\h

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anything about it because now you have elected\h
officials and very senior publicly appointed\h\h

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bureaucrats being told things in open public\h
hearing that I know for a fact a complete lies\h\h

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I look forward to seeing how Legacy Media responds\h
to this story and whether they will apply the\h\h

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same level of urgency that they applied to chasing\h
congressmen and Senators down hallways to ask them\h\h

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about the debt limit will the will they apply that\h
same interest to this story and and honestly at\h\h

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this point I think it's big enough that it could\h
overcome that but so far I've been let down nobody\h\h

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seems to be addressing it I'm not holding my\h
breath I'm not holding my breath I reckon they're\h\h

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going to try and whitewash it and ignore it I I\h
do too but I do think um that Dave grush takes us\h\h

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to that that the the you know the two roads and\h
which one are you going to take because at this\h\h

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point it's clear you either have to double down on\h
secrecy and find Innovative new ways to try to put\h\h

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this back in the box or they're gonna have to move\h
forward with some new kind of transparency because\h\h

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I don't think you can just put Dave grush out\h
there for who he is and know that there are other\h\h

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whistleblowers behind him who have also talked\h
to Congress and who are about to come forward I\h\h

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don't know how you can keep putting that in a box\h
so yeah we'll find out I I I absolutely agree with\h\h

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you and just to emphasize Dave brush is just the\h
beginning yeah there are there are people inside\h\h

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the program and I know because I'm talking\h
to them who want to come forward and who are\h\h

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waiting to see how Congress and the American Media\h
treat people who come forward with Revelations of\h\h

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criminality and wrongdoing at the highest level\h
of the US government is the US government still\h\h

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a functioning democracy will it allow itself to\h
to expose the wrongdoing that lies behind the\h\h

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concealment of the crash retrieval program why\h
has an illegal disinformation operation which\h\h

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was essentially banned by the church commission\h
inquiry after the CIA Revelations of illegal\h\h

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intelligence operations against Jewish citizens\h
in the 1970s why has an illegal intelligence\h\h

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operation to disinform the American public and\h
the world being run for so long by different\h\h

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intelligence agencies and why have people\h
tolerated this inside the US government and\h\h

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why aren't congressmen congresswomen and Senators\h
asking questions about this they know about it\h\h

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I know they know about it I know that there are\h
very senior people in the gang of eight who are\h\h

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very well aware of the day brush allegations why\h
are they sitting on this information and moreover\h\h

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why aren't the National Security reporters for\h
all of the major TV networks and all of the major\h\h

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newspapers not being tasked by their editors to\h
get out there and start banging down the doors and\h\h

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cracking the story because the great newspapers\h
that I love and admire the Washington Post and\h\h

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the New York Times they need to understand they've\h
failed so far on this story and they need to get\h\h

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out there and and prove that they can still do it\h
this is a really important moment for the American\h\h

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public and for the world there are Technologies\h
there are discoveries there are scientific\h\h

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advancements that can be developed as a result of\h
the exposure of what the American government knows\h\h

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and I know because there are scientists that\h
are talking to me who are bitterly frustrated\h\h

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that has been kept secret because the secrecy\h
they say has frustrated advancements that could\h\h

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help all of humanity right it's true Bryce it's\h
true I I remember some of our phone calls uh in\h\h

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the early days of this and just how hanging up and\h
thinking okay well we're into a new world now um\h\h

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and and clearly you know we talked before we went\h
on whether we wanted to talk about this NASA news\h\h

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conference uh that they had I almost don't want\h
to talk about it right now but I will if you want\h\h

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to make a few final comments but then we should\h
come back and and um and close on the Dave Crush\h\h

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story actually I just realized that the comments\h
that uh Kirkpatrick made about um the lack of any\h\h

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credible evidence for et life we actually made at\h
the NASA news conference and uh you know I'm sorry\h\h

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let's call it what it is it's a deliberate coverer\h
it's a lie now I don't know who's lying I don't\h\h

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know whether he's being disinformed or misinformed\h
but somebody very high up is lying they think they\h\h

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can continue to mislead and disinform the American\h
public and frankly you know what they probably can\h\h

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if the American public don't start rattling the\h
cage I am amazed how easily the American public\h\h

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are distracted these days by social media nonsense\h
and by stories that frankly don't matter this is\h\h

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a story that matters this is a story that could\h
revolutionize our understanding of human history\h\h

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and our ability to make technological\h
breakthroughs that could transform human\h\h

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society and frankly there's no good reason for the\h
continued secrecy it's time this story was told\h\h

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right I I you know I'll just give a quick take on\h
the NASA thing watching it there were some moments\h\h

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where I thought well these people you know this\h
person gets it this person gets it but a lot of\h\h

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they don't get it or they're all they're all\h
not addressing it directly talking about Sean\h\h

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Kirkpatrick for example he actually said well we\h
have 50 to 100 ish new reports each month that's\h\h

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very precisely a hundred ish uh new reports\h
each month and that's at the uh Aero office\h\h

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but he said the number of those sightings which\h
are quote possibly really anomalous end quote are\h\h

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two to five percent of the total database well\h
instead of talking about well gosh there's only\h\h

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five percent that are anomalous so really nothing\h
to see here they should be focusing on those five\h\h

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percent because we we don't care about the ones\h
that are being identified we want to know what\h\h

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is going on with the anomalous ones and then\h
you know again this is kind of ironic because\h\h

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um I've already attacked Senator Kelly for his\h
some obtuse comments about UAP in past episodes\h\h

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but Scott Kelly uh was on this uh this panel\h
for NASA Decades of the experience but what did\h\h

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he choose to make as his big statement he told\h
the story about how he and a co-pilot were near\h\h

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Virginia Beach and they were convinced that they\h
had flown by a UFO and Kelly said I didn't see it\h\h

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we turned around and we went to look at it turns\h
out it was Bart Simpson a balloon which of course\h\h

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got some polite laughter and and all that and\h
again please guys that's not helpful we're not\h\h

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interested in the ones that look like Bart Simpson\h
we want you looking into the ones that are truly\h\h

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anomalous and we want some answers and I think\h
that 10 times more than I did before I met Dave\h\h

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Crush Dave crushed to me as again as I said he's\h
not only super credible to me having met him but\h\h

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he's super credible to the Inspector General so\h
you know this is what we should be digging into\h\h

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right now and I look forward to that potentially\h
happening so Ross let's see take a moment for some\h\h

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last comments here you go my friend okay there's\h
one thing I want to point out about the NASA event\h\h

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that I think is really special now as you know\h
I've copped a fair bollocking online from people\h\h

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who were very very skeptical about my friend Jim\h
marlin from Texas who has a mysterious metallic\h\h

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sphere okay now I note with great fun the Dr\h
Sean Kirkpatrick admitted that one of the most\h\h

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interesting observations is that there are genuine\h
anomalies with metallic spheres that have been\h\h

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seen all over the world doing unusual maneuvers\h
now I'll just leave you with this thought\h\h

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if the U.S government doesn't know\h
a great deal about these objects\h\h

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Howard bloody hell does Sean Kirkpatrick\h
know that these spheres are metallic\h\h

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how does he know that oh good point I know more\h
than I'm letting on and I know they know a lot\h\h

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more than they're telling the American public\h
why did he say they were metallic funny that\h\h

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hmm well I'll tell you in honor of that\h
that's why I put a Metallica I saw that

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mine if if actually I was just saying if if mine\h
starts to levitate here but that is not one of the\h\h

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alien or or anomalous metallic balls however\h
though I have to say that was for me kind of\h\h

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an interesting thing to come out of this because\h
people are very interested in this you actually\h\h

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have spoken to people who have encountered these\h
things and actually have them rolling around in\h\h

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their houses right now and then we've admitted\h
that they're all over the world so I don't think\h\h

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we're going to be laughing about metallic balls\h
much longer because some of them were reported\h\h

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apparently going twice the speed of sound uh or\h
even hovering how how does the metallic ball do\h\h

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that I mean who's got that Tech right now I'm not\h
really sure that anybody here on Earth does have\h\h

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it so yeah I think there's a lot of I think I what\h
I hope my friend is that after the revelations\h\h

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in Leslie and Ralph's story today and the coming\h
Revelations on news nation that I'm putting in my\h\h

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interview with Dave brush the exclusive television\h
interview with Mr grush I'm hoping there will be\h\h

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many many questions that the mainstream media and\h
representatives of the Congress will start putting\h\h

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to the defense department and the intelligence\h
community and frankly the president needs to be\h\h

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asked as well it's it's I mean I I was shocked\h
recently I tweeted about the fact that it was\h\h

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quite obvious that Joe Biden was being fed\h
questions that were pre-prepared by the media\h\h

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just to what extent is the U.S media collaborating\h
in making things comfortable for the executive arm\h\h

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of government my job as a journalist is to make\h
governments uncomfortable and to ask uncomfortable\h\h

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questions and the whole issue of alleged\h
crash retrievals non-human intelligence is an\h\h

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uncomfortable issue but I can tell you after this\h
week the public will know definitively that there\h\h

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has been an active deliberate real disinformation\h
program run against the American public which I\h\h

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believe is a criminal breach of undertakings\h
that were given in the wake of the church\h\h

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commission investigations into the cia's illegal\h
activities in the 1970s and that's just the tip\h\h

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of the iceberg there is there is so much more to\h
come I am shocked by what I now know and it's not\h\h

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just from Dave grush if they tried to neutralize\h
Mr grush don't worry there's far more to come\h\h

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and and that's an excellent concluding\h
statement I got a little housekeeping to do here\h\h

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um just so everyone understands there was\h
an article written by Leslie Kane and Ralph\h\h

490
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Blumenthal and uh Ross here is uh the interviewer\h
and the journalist behind what is going to be on\h\h

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uh news Nation sometime in the next week and I\h
believe their show will be about an hour and so\h\h

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Ross interviewing this uh gentleman Dave grush\h
is part of that hour but uh the amount of time\h\h

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that Dave is on the air compared to the amount of\h
time he talked is small so I just want you to know\h\h

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there are uh Ross and I particularly Ross we're\h
committed to trying to get the full interview out\h\h

495
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in one way or another because I think people\h
deserve to see Dave grush at length look him\h\h

496
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in the eye and see what they think about the guy\h
do they think he's telling the truth I do when I\h\h

497
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watch him but it'll be interesting to see what\h
other people do um so again there's that need\h\h

498
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to know raw tape that is part of the news Nation\h
coverage hopefully that will find a full light of\h\h

499
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day soon and then there was also an interview that\h
we did literally here in my house with Dave Crush\h\h

500
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uh that went on for three hours Ross conducted\h
that interview and at some way uh we're gonna\h\h

501
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put that out too so that people can see Dave\h
and judge for themselves and when you start to\h\h

502
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see these things come out think about this there\h
are questions he answers um do they have bodies\h\h

503
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uh have people been killed by contact with UFOs\h
have people been killed because of the cover-up\h\h

504
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these are questions he actually steps up and puts\h
answers to and I can't wait uh for people to see\h\h

505
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what I have seen and what Ross has discovered\h
so I I close my part here by just saying\h\h

506
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strong uh Thumbs Up To You Ross what you've done\h
is extraordinary I'm proud of Leslie and Ralph\h\h

507
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for staying in the game and following up their\h
2017 article and uh we are in A Brave New World\h\h

508
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and full marks to Dave Crush The Whistleblower yes\h
the courage to come forward a very courageous man\h\h